Secondary Questions 5/30
What definition of ecopoetics resonates with you? (with p11 as 5 different definitions)
#1,2,4,5 pointing at the same experience/activity
belonging as dispersal of ego centered agency…belonging as relation
can’t have one strategy without the others
zone of overlap but zones of opposite effect
a diversity of strategies the might contradict
#4 as scientific or poetic or artistic
#5 as interdisciplinarity
What other clues do we have about what makes this ecological poetics?
turbulent flow of poetry
Is there something here that is ecopoetics…goes against ecopoetics?
Initials…claiming each poem
Is agency ego based?
When do they (FP and JK) resonate with various authors?
As I read the poems, they often seemed to be continuations from one to the next. Each author picking up the thread of the previous writing and carrying forward, sometimes in a similar, often in a different direction. The email exchanges at the end of the book made me think about them as more of a call and response dialogue. The I is under pressure then because it is beholden to what comes not only before it, but also after it. In the back of the author’s mind, is there a thought toward the future and what will happen next?
The concept of “fair share” in the fisheries debate that led to the Boldt decision is an intriguing one. One can look at this disagreement as yet another power dynamic. Regulating fisheries was the purview of white men in power. Fisherman perceive their “loss” of fish as reverse racism. Unfair! #fishermanlivesmatter Not unlike every other justice program that attempts to somewhat level the playing field for a group of people who have been subjugated or treated unfairly. It is also worth considering that the worldview driving the perceived loss is one of “mine” by fisherman vs. “ours” by the tribes.
One of Alaimo’s themes is that humans have removed themselves from the immediacy of what it means to inhabit this anthropocene by focusing on a perspective that is “zoomed out.” We have adopted a detached worldview of our destruction. Striking when considering the tribal view of interconnectedness we saw from the Swinomish and Samish. In places, the Muckleshoot argue exactly the opposite, we need to zoom out when considering salmon and watersheds. So much work is going into small scale restoration while in other places human activity continues to degrade salmon habitat. Some combination of the two is surely warranted.
Are boundaries barriers or delineations? Or something else? Are they helpful or harmful? Strayer argues that boundary classification is not meant to be rigid, merely a means to engage discussion of terminology. A way to think critically about how boundaries are defined. It matters, though, who is defining the boundary. Why is environmental justice relegated to a special interest while continued economic growth is not? Coastal structures like jetties offer physical boundaries of protection from the forces of waves on the beach, but this protection on the small scale comes at the cost of larger scale transformation at other locations.
Rodriguez occupies multiple spaces, multiple realities. Sometimes he lives between his actual reality “we locked into hate shrouded in the lips of love” and what he wishes it to be “the midnight romps we once had”. Sometimes he lives between the ugliness “talk to me of your terrors” and the beauty “talk to me of love” of his world. Sometimes he lives between the despair of the life he has “Cops harassed us every day” and the hope of what that life could be “climb out of this hole…, be this dream”. He continually bridges those opposites with his poetry.
When Ortiz talked about the song as a road that went both inward and outward, I visualized the expression perception relationship as a sort of feedback loop. In the case of writing, the loop changes the relationship from linear to reciprocal. I internalize the expression and it becomes a new perception. Possibly this continues in some type of iterative process. It also avoids breaking the perceptive process into pieces, as with the example of learning the elements of a language or a song. The Octopus is expressed and perceived as a living, breathing mountain, not a collection of individual parts.